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LLC Guys lookout

the Man is starting to look at you!

ghillie
27 March 2010
01:33 PM Seems more states are looking at this system.

Massachusetts cracks down on Montana LLC DJW
27 March 2010
04:15 PM John
I really don't have a problem with the MA AG's action.  The LLC thing works great as long as you do not park it in the state that you did not pay taxes to and then brag to your neighbors about getting over on the man.
Dennis Donnie Barnes
27 March 2010
07:44 PM Yeah, and don't park your RV with the Montana plates on it in plain sight, either!
Donnie Jack Mayer
28 March 2010
10:52 AM If you do a LEGAL LLC you have no problem.  If you try to cheat the man, then you sometimes get what you deserve, and sometimes get away with it.  Roll the dice.... waylandlong
28 March 2010
03:49 PM Okay Jack, I will bite.  What is a "legal" LLC?  I have handled SEVERAL of them over the last few years and everyone of them I know were doing it to evade sales tax. Donnie Barnes
28 March 2010
03:54 PM Some people have done it because their state absolutely will not title an HDT as an RV (like PA).  I'd bet that in at least some of those cases they did pay sales tax when they bought the rig.  But even if not, well, that's what Jack is saying.  Skirt the law, pay the price.  But there is at least one good reason to do it that isn't skirting the law.  For a while I thought *I* was going to have to do it because NC wasn't wanting to play ball.
Donnie Jack Mayer
28 March 2010
07:45 PM Donnie answered the question I think.  In some states (like TX) you can do an LLC to legally avoid sales tax, assuming you follow the rules.  Other states, most notably CA and CO (among others) will AGRESSIVELY pursue you if you try that stuff.  Some other places will not permit it, but are not aggressive.  You really have to know what you are doing if you go this route, IMO. waylandlong
28 March 2010
08:45 PM I guess I will never understand the entire titling scenario.  But then again, I pay sales tax (on behalf on client), register, etc. quite a few vehicles per week.  I, for the life of me, do not understand why you need to tag as an RV, when every person on here is private, with the exception of Henry selling hitches, and me selling everything.  And I do not even have a class A.  I guess a toupee just makes you look like you are more apt to try to put poor Mr. DMV in the trick sack....

Funniest thing about this deal is we have a FEDERAL DMV agent reading every post on here, and he NEVER speaks out.  He swore me to keep a secret so do not ask.  Another one on here is Texas DOT, who never speaks out, and they both approached me about building trucks in the last two weeks.... marvmarcy
28 March 2010
08:54 PM We may get stopped because of our MT tags because we spend lots of time in CO, NC and FL.  I have MT USAF Veteran tags (not available to an LLC) so any savvy LEO should know better.  Most people we meet think we are an LLC. Newt
28 March 2010
08:56 PM There's tax evasion and tax avoidance.  Sometimes the line between the two gets a little blurry.
Newt John (C-IL)
28 March 2010
09:03 PM Wayland
It's real simple in Illinois.  My Freightliner costs me $102 per year to tag as an RV.  If I were to tag flat weight commercial the charge would be $1,123.  If my truck were 3 axles it would cost $1,759.  Plus, you would be subject to semi-annual vehicle inspections and, there isn't a non-commercial plate class so you would be subject to the whim of every LEO that wanted to see what you are doing on the road. J.W. Morgan
28 March 2010
09:06 PM I still have a yard full of MT plates and I believe I am entitled as long as we own property there and my Wife still has MT driver license.

(I am well aware that you are supposed to change license within 30 days, but there is a catch to it too.) waylandlong
28 March 2010
09:10 PM John (C-IL)

Now THAT I understand.

Do you know how to get me out of the healthcare deal? Gargoyle
28 March 2010
09:22 PM Any savvy Montana LEO, you mean?  Don't you think that most LEO's have enough of their own states laws to keep up with, without you expecting them to know what license plate you can or can't get in Montana?  Sorry, I've been a LEO in Texas for 25+ years and I couldn't care less what a Montana license plate even looks like.  I can spot ones from Louisiana, Arkansas and Oklahoma along with all (well most) of the Texas specialty plates.  When they move Montana closer to Texas, I will learn them, but until then you will just have to climb off your high horse and explain it to me.  AFTER I verify it, then maybe I will agree with you.  Come at me with that "any savvy LEO" crap and you can spend your time explaining to the judge how wrong I was.  It won't hurt my feelings any to watch you beat me in court.  Court is overtime and for $48 and change an hour with a 4hr minimum, you can bet I will be there.

Wayland
Not all states will allow them to register an HDT as a regular truck, like Texas.  Here we have a choice of personal truck or RV.  Some places it is either an RV or a commercial truck.  Some places don't even have that option.  If Texas refused to let me register as an HDT as a personal truck, I might be Montana bound myself, but I won't have that problem.  God Bless Texas! J.W. Morgan
28 March 2010
09:32 PM Gargoyle,
I am a believer, especially after the $160 seatbelt ticket my wife received in TX, the sign "Don't mess with TX" should have a more appropriate word in place of "Mess"....... 10-9jc
29 March 2010
04:28 AM State revenues are way down.
MA is doing what CA has done for a long time (pursuing the LLCs - for non-payment of sales tax).  Buy a MH for 100K or a DP at 1/4, 1/2 mil (or more) and CA is looking for their 9%.  Serious coin!

More "funny things":
CA RV buyers have (had?) been able to *LEGALLY* avoid paying *ANY* CA sales tax for years - RV,s, Boats Aircraft.  Take delivery out of state, must remain and be used out-of-state for 91 days (receipts required) - and you're home free to register it in CA.  Very common practice.  (Difficult for CA residents not retired, but still "doable").  Over several years: It had been 91 days - temporarily went to 1 year - then back to 91 days.  Above as recent as two years ago.  Not sure where it sits now - or if any version is still in effect.

LLCs in CA were simply an "easy way" to accomplish what buyers could have done legally with no LLC costs - and/or trying to explain to the Chippie why you have A CA DL and MT plates . . . registered to a "Company or a Corporation."  Sounds commercial, doesn't it?  (only real savings with the LLC was on registration fees).

Should *not* be confused with MDT / HDT - - "truck vs. MH" and/or - - "commercial" (truck) CA registration "difficulties".  Different can/s of worms.
Funny thing #2. Employed CA LEO *also* on forums here - who has a DP MH registered (and stored) out of state - due to sales tax "avoidance".  (MA residents take heed!)

But - if you set aside some desire for asset protection or whatever - skip the LLC.  Domicile in the state of your choice.  As JW states - a DL from the same state is a good idea.
JC Jack Mayer
29 March 2010
09:53 AM Wayland
The only thing a TX HDT titled as a RV gets you is a little less in fees (and that is so little that it is not worth discussing), and an RV title.  The RV title "may" be of value if stopped out of state, or if you are running through scales and get red-lighted. Or, if you bypass scales, as I do, and subsequently get stopped.  Especially if you do not have a class A CDL.  (Not a TX exempt A).  It is "funny" how some DOT guys feel you HAVE to have a CDL to drive an HDT, even in private use.  Other than that it really does not do anything for you in TX (that I know of).  I would not hesitate to have my truck as a private truck in TX.  But since I could do the RV and it potentially helps
me with the nationwide scale issue that is the route I chose.